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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:47 pm |
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Sheldon - As far as we know ZULU has never had any cuts for theatrical purposes has it? As mentioned a few years ago by myself on this forum, I always seem to think there was a longer version of the film that I saw in 1972.(ish) I distinctly remember a scene where Private Cole is standing guard outside the little box where Mr Witt is drunk...the first bit is where he is looking worried, and not answering Mr Witt, then, another scene where we cut back to him, only this time he is told to go back to the ramparts where he belongs by Color Sgt Bourne...I also remember another ZULU attack towards the end of the film which isn't in the DVD version, but as it is recorded, a running time of 138 minutes means that these two scenes 'never were' Guess its just my mind playing kind tricks....
One other thing - at last I've found my old LP version of ZULU soundtrack on the Ember label. Can you clarify if this is in stereo, or pseudo stereo as I haven't a record deck any more to give it a try....I believe elsewhere there is an article all about this, and its subsequent released on cd format over the years.
Finally, Hyperthetically, if there were further footage shot for ZULU that never made it to the final print, would we want a directors cut, or would we be happy with the final 138 minutes worth that we all know and love. For the record and it may make the film worse, I would like to see an expanded edition......the bit where Durnsford horses arrive....and other smaller scenes that I can't remember right now. Something about the Bromhead 'hunt' ??
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Sheldon Hall
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:15 pm |
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Leigh,
I think your mind is playing tricks: all elements of the Witt/Cole scene you refer to are in the film! There WAS an extra bit of dialogue originally shot between Cole and Bourne (see my book for the deleted lines), but as far as I'm aware this has never been in any released version. Nor has there been an extra Zulu attack (this may be your schoolboy memory exaggerating the amount of action!).
Re. the notion of a Director's Cut, I've said this before but I'll say it again: the 138-minute version we all know and love IS the Director's Cut. The pre-release cuts were Endfield's (and Baker's and editor John Jympson's) decision; Cy's widow, Lady Baker and the assistant editor have all said there was no pressure from the studio to remove the deleted scenes against their wishes, and the film came in at almost exactly the running time Endfield said it would in correspondence during shooting. The extra scenes were cut because they didn't "play" and would have made the film overlong and too slow. Second-unit director Bob Porter, who shot some Zulu footage that ended up on the cutting room floor, was the first to admit that it had to go. More can be less, and longer is not necessarily better!
As for the soundtrack album, Ember released both stereo and mono editions (I believe some mono record players at the time were not stereo-compatible, hence the need for "dual inventory"). The sleeve and/or label should state whether your version is one or the other. But I have to disagree with Mel about the Nic Raines recording: the arrangement of this version (esp. the rendering of "Men of Harlech") is dreadful! There are various original Barry recordings on different CD editions which are far preferable.
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Sheldon Hall
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:08 pm |
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The problem with the notion of a "Director's Cut" is that essentially it is now a marketing category, which allows the same film (with knobs on) to be sold back to the consumer who has bought it already with the implication that he's getting something new and better. 'Tis not always so, and the existence of the DC label tends to imply that anything not so designated is, by default, not authorised by the director - which is often far from the case. All films leave deleted material behind as part of the process of fine-tuning during editing, and it wouldn't necessarily improve the film to put it back in! Imagine every book being cluttered up by bits of first drafts, rough notes, uncorrected proofs, etc, and you will see what I mean...
The image on the Ember album, which I have, is a production still of the final assault, taken from an angle not used in the film (another common occurrence, and nothing to worry about!). I also have Nic Raine's recording of THE BIG COUNTRY which, I agree, is pretty good - albeit a bit too fast in the Main Title theme. I suppose the advantage of his "ZULU" recording is that it includes a few bits and pieces not recorded for the Barry original (they're in the film but not on the Ember record), though they're fairly minor.
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Sheldon Hall
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Mel, I can't remember the exact title or label - I've got about half a dozen different recordings!
Leigh, despite my remarks earlier about the Peckinpah restorations, I do think the re-edits of MAJOR DUNDEE and PAT GARRETT & BILLY THE KID are an improvement on those previously available, though obviously not ideal. BLADE RUNNER is not among my favourites, but either of the first (!) Director's Cut or the (alleged) Final Cut are preferable to the original studio-mauled release.
One film I would like to see made available in some reconstructed form is A MATTER OF TIME (1976), the last film directed by the great Vincente Minnelli, starring his daughter Liza and Ingrid Bergman. He disowned the theatrical version re-edited against his wishes by AIP, which flopped, and the film has subsequently completely disappeared (at least, I've never seen it). If the discarded footage exists somewhere and it could be reassembled into something approaching its intended form, it would be a great service to film buffs. So mea culpa...
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