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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:21 pm |
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Rather than a fun quiz, etc., this is something that has been mentioned previously in topics, but never pursued as a discussion.
Recently, I found a book advertised called -
Andy And Mark And The Time Machine: Custer's Last Stand.
The story goes that 3 people travel back in time, but are parted from each other during the process, however, meeting up near Little Bighorn 1876, meeting Custer, etc., and witnessing events.
Question - if this happened to you, instead turning up near Isandlwana or Rorke's Drift, would you -
A. Flee as fast as you can knowing what is going to happen ?
B. Try to warn of the coming events ?
C. Curiosity making you deliberately join the forces at Isandlwana or Rorke's Drift, to partake in the battle itself, even though there was a prospect of being killed, in order to witness the situation firsthand.
D. Curiosity, making you go to Isandlwana or Rorke's Drift to see/meet, the famous figures from history, but leave before the engagement.
E. Any other decision.
Note - for simplicity sake, you are not seen as an outsider, spy, stranger, but are assimilated into the scenario, as in accepted.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:39 am |
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Coll wrote: | .............
Question - if this happened to you, instead turning up near Isandlwana or Rorke's Drift, would you - ............ Coll |
Being aware of the fact that if I changed history because of this opportunity, neither I, nor many others now alive may now exist, let alone events happen, countries continue, , governments govern, etc. I would ...........
"A. Flee as fast as you can knowing what is going to happen ?"
but reassuring myself "on route" that I was saving the world as we know it.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:38 pm |
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I would be rushing around trying to see exactly what happened to the cricket gear and exactly how it was lost and why a single stump and a batting pad were separated from the rest. If one of the camp's defenders, or more than one, had fallen while bravely defending this vital equipment, then I would doff my cap to them. As there is no record of the bulk of the gear surviving the looting of the camp (although I wouldn't be aware of that at the time) I would follow the victorious army to their renewed bivouac on the Ngwebini stream, where many appear to have had second thoughts about carting their loot all the way home, as much detritus was discarded in this area. I would dally here, because I would particularly want to know: did the Zulu, indeed, drag it all the way home (perhaps on the King's precise instructions) or did they leave it there? Did the gear become separated and dispersed or did it survive undamaged in a club bag? If they persevered with this heavy cargo, when did they discover they were a stump and a pad missing, and how did they compensate for this serious omission? Did the King punish them for their carelessness?
At stake here is the last great secret of Isandlwana - and surely the most vital one.
Peter
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:39 pm |
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Mischief history? What's that?
Confused? Of course we are. One day it was all there, ready for immediate action. Then it was gone. That night a solitary pad was found and a few weeks later, a single stump. That's all. The rest has never surfaced to my knowledge. Burnt in the camp? A possibility of course. But all of it? Doubt it. Pinched by the Zulu? Possibly. But kept together and used, or separated and/or discarded? Put to another practical use? Possibly. But surely a trace would have emerged at some stage. Artillery, rifles, colour staffs, ammo, uniforms, boots, swords and all sorts of stuff is recorded as having been recovered from the Zulu afterwards, often in their homesteads, sometimes many years after the war.
But no trace of the cricket gear. No mention of it by the various journalists, artists or burial parties of the next few years. Why? Doesn't make sense, Coll. It certainly is a historic mystery. Conspiracy? Who knows? If all these modern scientific projects on the battlefield itself still can't find it, nor any historian of the battle (to my knowledge) can pinpoint a single bit of the missing gear apart from the discovered pad and recovered stump, then which mystery relating to the battle remains more enticing or fascinating? I can't think of one. There must be an answer, Coll, but I don't know it. Hence my post of 7.38 pm.
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I can picture the same scene, Saw! On the other hand, they may have known exactly what to do. A good number of Zulu, including some leading men, would have witnessed the cricket match which took place not far from Ulundi in August 1873, involving officers of the Karkloof Volunteers, including Potterill, who lost his life a few months later up on the Berg during the Bushman's River Pass expedition. I suspect this was the first game ever played in the country, although two of Cetshwayo's brothers had been playing cricket for years by that time, but not in Zululand.
The King had access to the sports pages of the British & colonial press - he would also have been made aware of the game going on just "down the road" in Aug '73. I wonder if, perhaps brought to him, the gear was stored in his European dwelling and destroyed in the fire of 4 July 1879?
Or perhaps discovery still awaits it?
Peter
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