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Captain W. Whalley FLH, Bakers Horse and NLH.
csimpson


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All,

I�ve been trying to find something tangible to confirm Captain W.H. Whalley�s previous service and to confirm when he died. Quite often he is referred to as either, William Whalley, Wyatt Whalley, Watt Whalley, William Hampden Whalley or on the medal roll as W.W. Whalley�.Mmmmmmmm, quite a problem. As you can see contemporary writers at the time (1879) wrote him up as a man of vast experience, yet it is quite hard to confirm any of it.

I have determined that Hampden Whalley (George Hampden Whalley) was the Lonsdales Horse Whalley and was later a MP and convicted in the Old Bailey for theft in 1884 but is the FLH Whalley a relative?.

WHALLEY William (Watt) Hampden (Walley and Whally Wyatt Whalley or W.W. Whalley).

Officer, 17th Lancers.
Indian Mutiny. Sepoy Rebellion (Indian Mutiny), wounded in action.
China operations - wounded in action.
Abyssinia operations.
Papal Zouaves � Franco-Prussian War. Wounded in action and prisoner of war at Mezieres.
Colonel and Regimental Commanding Officer � Carlist War.

Captain, Frontier Light Horse 24.12.77.
Gaika and Gaeleka War 1877-8. Mentioned-in-despatches (LG 26.3.7Cool for services at Quintana 7.2.78. Wounded in action (severely contused) 8.5.78 whilst assembling the troops for an attack. Mentioned-in-despatches (LG 18.6.7Cool.
Sekukune operations in the Transvaal 1878. He commanded the Frontier Light Horse at one point. Resigned 10.12.78.

Captain and Adjutant, Baker�s Horse 3.2.79. He was ordered to take command of the Pietermaritzburg and Durban Troops of the Frontier Light Horse as one Squadron (NLH). Commandant (Captain) and Commanding Officer, Natal Light Horse 3.5.79. Zulu War 1879. He was mentioned with great praise on 8.7.79 for operations around Fort Evelyn Wood. Mentioned-in-despatches (LG 21.8.79) Captain Whalley, Natal Light Horse, is a brave, straight forward gentleman, whom I have known for the last fifteen months, and who has always done well. . He was described as a regular soldier of fortune.

Any assistance would be appreciated in particular his medal entitlement.

Regards,

Cam Simpson.
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Keith Smith


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Cam

Not sure I can help you very much - you've done well enough anyway.

According to General Orders Capt. W.H. Whalley was transferred from the FLH, with whom he had fought in the Cape, to Baker's Horse in Feb 79; your other dates are pretty right too.

Hampden Whalley was appointed Lt in Lonsdale's Horse on 14 April 79. I have no idea as to their relationship, if any, but it was a very common occurrence for brothers to join the volunteer forces in the AZW, especially the NNC.

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Keith does this help found this artical.

"George Hampden Whalley was a British politician and soldier.
The son of George Hammond Whalley, Member of Parliament for Peterborough, he was born at the family estate of Plas Madoc in 1851. Educated on the training ship Britannia, he afterwards entered the Royal Navy. [1]
Whalley received a lieutenant's commission in the 6th Royal Lancaster Regiment of Militia on 9 March 1871.[2] He resigned his commission on 1 June 1872,[3] and was commissioned a cornet in the Denbighshire Yeomanry on 29 June 1872.[4] Whalley was promoted lieutenant, then captain on 4 December 1878.[5] In 1879, Whalley commanded C Troop of Lonsdale's Horse in the Anglo-Zulu War. A convoy under his command from Fort Tenedos to Fort Chelmsford successfully beat off a Zulu ambush[6]
Whalley was elected Liberal MP for Peterborough in 1880, like his father (who had occupied the seat until his death in 1878). He resigned by becoming Steward of the Manor of Northstead in June 1883. He was adjudged bankrupt later that year"

Date and course of Death Unknown
It is thought he died in Australia
csimpson


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Keith and Peter - many thanks.

I'll look into the family a bit more and see how / if they are related, but it does make me wonder hown non of his previous service can be varified anywhere - served under another name??

All I have on G.H. Whalley is pretty much what Peter posted. The Times has quite a bit about his trial and his previous service being used to back his character - still got 9 months Hard Labour.

WHALLEY George Hampden (Hampden Whalley). Born Plas Madoc, Wales 1851. Educated aboard the Training Ship Britannia. Entered the Royal Navy but failed to pass his exams due to an accident. Lieutenant, 6th Royal Lancashire (Militia) 9.3.71. Resigned his commission 1.7.72. Cornet, Denbighshire Yeomanry Cavalary 29.6.72. Captain 4.12.78. Lieutenant, Lonsdales Horse (not on medal roll) 14.4.79. Captain and Officer Commanding �C� Troop, Lonsdale�s Horse. On 5.5.79 he commanded the escort for 50 Waggons which were attacked en-route from Fort Chelmsford to Inyezani. Member (MP) for Peterborough 1880-83. Resided No20- Leinster He was tried for theft in the Old Bailey and sentenced to nine months hard labour on 20.10.84. To Queensland, Australia aboard the The Duke of Buccleuch c1885/86 (As George Hampden White).

I'll let you both know when I did up something further.

Cam.
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Justin Young


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Know this thread went out quite some time ago but Whalley has always intrigued me due to his amazing Service, However I've never been able to confirm him serving as:

Officer, 17th Lancers -doesn't appear in the Army lists as such, or Gazetted
Indian Mutiny. Sepoy Rebellion, wounded in action. - no mention of him wounded or on medal roll
China operations - wounded in action. - as above
Abyssinia operations. - not on medal roll

Men are at times left of medal rolls (and Gazettes)for various reasons but surely not this often... however if he claimed to be an ex 17th Lancer Officer and was not, he would have been sure to have been discovered once the Lancers were attached to the same column!

Much, more to this chap than even his 'claimed' service gives.

Anyone else come across anything more since this thread was started?

Justin
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