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Simon Rosbottom


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What I don't quite understand is that the same bidder has jacked the price
up from �12 to �61 on his own and then to �80 when someone else offered
�78. Odd.

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scarletto7


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Very astonishing, he does trot these out a bit, their is also the Isandhlwana
group of artifacts someone is selling for over �400 on E-Bay too. What
gets me is, and I'm not insinuating anything, my friend went metal detecting
in Wales and came back with over 30 Martini-Henry cases, now i could
make a fortune saying they are from Rorke's Drift/Isandhlwana or
wherever, its very much buyer beware on these sort of items
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Simon Rosbottom


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Hmm... �152 for a MH case. Let's see what it gets to by midnight tonight.

On the same subject, I found a .303 case whilst sieving through my back
garden near Maidstone last year. The neck is badly damaged but a full
45mm on the case is intact and I cleaned the base enough to read the
markings.

My attempts to identify it from the markings on the base, "PETERS" at 12
o'clock and "28" at 6 o'clock, suggest that it was manufactured by the
Peters Cartridge Co. in Cincinatti Ohio. I supposed that it was made in
1928 although I have found no evidence to confirm this. The 303 rounds
produced by Peteres had "P" or "PC" as the stamp and were made between
1914-1917.

I'd like to think that it fell from an overhead dogfight 66 years ago and is a
little bit of Kent history. Anyone help further?

Regards

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Peter Ewart


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One born every minute ...

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Garen


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Simon Rosbottom wrote:
What I don't quite understand is that the same bidder has jacked the price
up from �12 to �61 on his own and then to �80 when someone else offered
�78. Odd.


It looks like that because the bids are listed in order of value, not time. The first bid was on 9 July at �78. That bidder who put in 7 or 8 bids then kept bidding in increments to try and beat the high bid that was already set, eventually beating it with a �100 bid (of which �80 did the job, until someone bid higher than �100).

Of course the way it's intended to work is you just put in the maximum you'll pay and then providence takes its course!

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Kenty


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I know this gentleman and have purchased items from him face to face and he is an extremely pleasant and trustworthy man. A relative of his travelled the battlefields in the 50's and brought a large number of items back with him.

As to one being born every minute perhaps you might be so kind as to explain this somewhat throw away comment.
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Kenty

Well, just that. "There's one born every minute" so they say, and transactions like the one referred to above prove it, don't they? How many people would fork out a hundred & fifty-odd quid for a spent cartridge case which it is claimed came from the (or a) battlefield on the strength of a third party account? A collector, perhaps? Hardly. I would imagine a collector would want to know just a little bit more of its provenance than a story like that - however true that story may well be and however trustworthy the vendor.

Keen as the new purchaser will be to retain the cartridge, it seems to me that the "value" (if it ever had a value) will already have nose-dived and one can imagine him or subsequent vendors offering it in future: "I got this from a chap who got it from someone else, who knows someone who apparently said ..."

Recent threads on this site show that purchasers can burn their fingers, even after all the obvious warnings. I would have thought that a spent MH cartridge case might hold some interest for someone interested in MH rifles or firearms generally, or even just in old cartridge cases - but surely in cases like this a reliable provenance is everything, and AZW "artefacts" must be among the most dicey of purchases. Personally, I'd also have thought the wording alone of the eBay description would have put most people off.

"A fool and his money are soon parted."

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peterw


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I have to say that I agree with Peter, particularly as I almost got conned by someone selling items that turned out to have falsified provenance.

Even giving the seller the benefit of the doubt, and accepting it is a genuine battlefield relic, these items come up with remarkable frequency on eBay. As Peter as indicated, it is impossible to "prove" that the item came from Rorke's Drift. As such, the item should have a reasonably low ceiling price - say �30, perhaps a little more.

Each to his own, but I would think that the purchaser does not have the slightest chance of ever recouping his money should he need to in the future.

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scarletto7


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As I've already stated, my friend has a bunch of fired MH cases, i could say that someone i know got them from someone who was in S Africa, I'm not disputing that this ebayer is less than reliable, BUT well a �150 for something that 'might' have come from S Africa is a lot.

These items do come up rather frequently also on another site too
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There are some right nut cases that get on Ebay but the thing is do they
pay the money over at the end of the auction ?
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