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Martin Everett
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Dear Tom,
I am not sure why you are using the film as your starting point? There are some good illustrations in a number of books - by Ian Knight. Perhaps you should contact us direct. |
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John Young
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Martin,
Both the two illustrations I can think of in books by Ian Knight have the wrong rank insignia for a Colour Sergeant wearing the five-button frock, so maybe not a good place to start either? John Y. |
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Tom516
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I guess I've gone the way most have - interest in the movie and then on to the actual history. Things have been moving so fast and I really should have thought of asking here first thing...
Tom516 |
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Martin Everett
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Dear John,
I was looking at a quick response to Tom's message. I know that you have detailed knowledge of the AZW so why not be helpful and respond to Tom. There are not enough hours and the day for me to be as knowledgeable as you about the AZW so please respect that I am fallible and have many other campaigns involving 24th/SWB/MONS to respond to. |
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John Young
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Dear Martin,
What do you mean by ...so why not be helpful and respond to Tom... ? As I see it I am already answering him, on another thread on the forum, relating to the insignia and uniform of a Colour Sergeant. Please see http://www.rorkesdriftvc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=336 But how many times do I have to answer the same question? This reply from the old forum, for example:-
Or this one:
The answers are already on this site, it doesn't take too much to look for them, or does it? Maybe the quickest response isn't always the best response? John Y. |
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My sins |
Tom516
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I fear I really was making an assumption and quite an ignorant one at that (looks like I'll be retailoring the frock rear now) though I should have been forewarned by an old magazine article on a Rorke's Drift diorama - the modeller had purchased some Zulu movie figures but had had to do extensive repair work to make them accurate. In any case I fear I have fallen into the mortal sin of presumption and I do beg everyone's forgiveness. That being said I must say in my defense that I really only gathered up the courage to join this site this year because of some rather negative experiences I've had on other mailing lists/discussion fora which did not take too kindly to computer gamers - most of them were for boardgamers and I suppose they (with some justification) looked at computer gamers as brainless kids who were destroying their precious hobby. In any case that's why I've taken so long about it. Frankly I'm just glad that you chaps caught it before we could formally release the mod to the public.
Again many thanks, Tom516 |
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Martin Everett
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Dear John,
You quote the style of officer's rank star as 'Garter'. My understanding was that they were 'Bath' stars. Only Household Cavalry, Grenadier and Coldstream Guards wore 'Garter' stars. (Scots Guards - 'Thistle' stars). I have checked with Coghill's tunic. |
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John Young
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Dear Martin,
Again see the old forum in a subsequent posting to mine of January 2004. Adrian W. & I have already been down that route, my contemporary source, from a late friend of mine, did indeed relate the Coldstream Guards. John Y. |
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Tom516
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Wherever did I get the idea that the back of the frock coat has curved white piping (Knocks self on head) - even my 1/72 scale Esci British Infantry from the Zulu Wars have straight piping.
Would you guys have a picture kicking around somewhere of how the rear of the frock tunic really looks - you've given me a better idea but it's better to be safe this time than sorry I think. Many many thanks, Tom516 |
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Tom516
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By the way, would the chevrons be stitched on to cloth of the facing color as had been done previously?
Many thanks, Tom516 |
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Mikey29211
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I saw a photo dated in the 1880s of one of the defenders at Rorke's Drift, i don't recall his name, i want to say Henry Gallagher but I'm not sure..Anyway, in the caption, it said Sgt/Maj so and so and on his tunic above his right cuff was a Queens crown.
I always thought that was the designation for Sgt/Maj in an undress frock. |
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John Young
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Mikey,
Yes in the 1880's, post 1881 changes. The information regarding rank insignia relates to 1879. John Y. |
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Mikey29211
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Thank you John, Atleast i wasn't seeing things. I knew of the uniform changes but didn't think that the rank insignia would change too. |
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